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A forum is a place where people talk about ideas. So I don’t think that proposing an idea would skew results.
Mmmmh. Still never happened to me. But of course I don’t think I would share something with a perfectly unknown person, which by simply asking “how do you do it?” claims rights on my time and sweat.
And this for several reasons.
For example that person would be just curious and not really interested in what I’ve done. This would lead to give pearls to pigs.
Most of the times, when I read something like “HDYDI?”, I just think that it’s childish asking this way, 'cos probably
//just started Floyd’s Animals… uuuhhh
when the asker would open the patch would just be able to look at it playing automatically, being able to do nothing else with it. And then: I don’t understand what u done, u gave me wrong stuff, u bullshit. I mean not everybody is devoted to teaching.
If we talk about commercial projects, well try to ask Pixar if they want to share Renderman algorythm for refraction.
So I know you think now: “Uhuh! Got you! Finally! You think to be Pixar-like artist!”. No. Unfortunately. But the point is that bo27, karistouf, tonfilm, … (sorry to mention u guys without asking), works have same dignity as Pixar ones.
Now try to look at vvvv as chemistry. Patch could be simple as an atom or complex as a molecule. But a molecule is done by atoms, no? Here u find a lot of atoms to set up your new molecule, and also many molecules to realize more complex materials. And C# and HLSL give u the chance to modify eve atoms’ structure.
Follow me carefully.
For other people it’s impossible to understand which kind of new material u have in mind. You have your own lab, you have a lot of atoms and molecules, and nobody here really understand why u complain that nobody explain u what to do with all of this; since everybody here started with tutorials, continued with the tons of materials found in this website and found their own way through vvvv, they don’t understand why u shouldn’t do the same.
Bytheway it’s clear that you ain’t searching for any answer. You just looking for a vulnus in vvvv community.
So I try to give u satisfaction. Be aware this is obviously just my personal opinion. VVVV and vvvv community are not perfect. VVVV has a lot of bugs -figure I was able to find one me too. VVVV community is done by people. And people in general are not perfect.
Sorry, I don’t get the general meaning of this. To what that “that” refers exactly? Could u please explain better?
Current installation in VVVV is being posted at: https://github.com/elliotwoods/HanRiver-VVVV
It’s not released yet but the source is available so people can see the process of how it’s developed and the techniques / methods involved along the way.
People share more patch source on the Max/MSP+Jitter forums by copy paste if i remember correctly. We sometimes do that here, but since VVVV is XML, it doesn’t happen very often as it creates too much text in the forum. So generally people upload v4p files instead.
I’ve got some friends who work with Jitter and say that the community is much more ‘hive-like’ than VVVV. Often somebody discovers a cool effect, and then that effect appears in everyone’s Jitter project for the next couple of months. Many users (especially beginners) are more ‘piecing together’ other peoples work than creating work from ‘first principles’.
The thing in particular that made me switch to VVVV was it was complete enough for me to create my own solutions to each idea, rather than hacking together other people’s hacks. Both approaches are valid but people will be drawn to one or the other based on their chosen approach. (and there of course is even extra weight to jitter because many users do not care for Windows / never have heard of VVVV because they’re in a non-windows community).
Anyway, you do highlight an interesting point about how sharing differs between the 2 communities. I think VVVV hasn’t at all perfected it yet, but that also you might be looking for it in the wrong places. Check the Contributions section and Addonpack of course to get an idea of what people are sharing this side of the internet-atlantic.
poof, you could start sharing something. like, what projects have you done ? do you have a website ? show us some jitter awesomeness.
I think i have to agree with the community on this one, i wouldnt share with any of you as i have nothing to gain from it. This is really the foundation to being leet, just shut everyone else out.
No, you misunderstood. u7angel was not talking about Jcode, but about videos of what you do with J.
And then don’t let your J friends reading your words in this forum to change mind on you.
Here sharing is practiced. It’s just that you want it to be in a different way. Your own. So the point is that we all should have just one point of view. Yours. It was “think different”, wasn’t it? Or you parsed it “think in just one different way”?
And moreover, where do you read that sharing is useless\deleterious? Posted above there are two links to github. What one should do more? Come to your house and give you the vvvvraal? And possibly biscuits and tea in the bed in the morning?
“Sir?”
“Yes, Jeeves.”
“Sir, I would create an iobox here, Sir.”
“No, Jeeves. Better put it some more on the left.”
“Sir, as you wish, Sir. And what should I do with this linearspread, Sir?”
“Well… I think you should link it to that quad.”
“Sir, excuse me if I dare to contradict You, Sir, but it would be quite useless. May I suggest to put in between a transform node, Sir?”
“Uh! Good idea Jeeves. You’re precious as always. Yes, put it in between.”
“So far, Sir, in the patch we have …”
“WE?”
“Excuse me Sir. So far you have four nodes in your patch. But I have to ask for your permission to go to kitchen to prepare lunch, Sir.”
“Yes, Jeeves. Go” After lunch Sir and Jeeves go back to computer
“Umh, Jeeves, you should be careful with truffles. You always put too much on panda leg. Instead the dodo wings were absolutely perfect.”
“Thank you, Sir. _(upset, looking the monitor)_Sir, did you changed something in the patch?”
“Yes, Jeeves. That linearspread wasn’t spreading a single thing, so I deleted everything.”
“But, Sir, do you remebered to change to amount of spreadcount?”
“Spreadcount? Is it so essential?”
“Yes, Sir.”
“Uff. So I guess you should restart from scratch.”
“Yes, Sir…”
“So? What you waiting for? And put that iobox on the left!”
…
Im just starting v, and my point was asking people to share their methods, their patches, the stuff that actually matters, not tools they built for v. Everyone says it takes years to made v do stuff and i would agree, but then i have to ask myself at the same time why the hell would i want to invest years into learning something when the level of community support extends to “oh, use this tool” instead of “well to achieve that end you will need this tool and this is how you use it, but you will also need to do the following steps in such an order otherwise you will end up with a subpar result”. Yknow, real advice, not armchair advice. That’s sharing.
@xd_nitro
give a man a fish and he asks for fish, chips and gravy
@poof - please take one step at a time and you will then make progress fast
This is my first big project in VVVV which was made in months. I learnt so much about VVVV as I had a project to apply my thoughts to. I was learning a lot about shaders, render passes, midi, subpatching, performance issues, timeliner, spreads, … http://vimeo.com/3822871
I always say that the best way of learning is working through a real project. And I really think you’d benefit from trying a short real project to get to grips with VVVV.
I suggest the next step for you is to:
Start a new thread titled ‘How to do X’ where X is an idea that you have for something you want to make in VVVV
In that forum post, write down a description of what you want to make, and how you imagine you would make it based on what you know about VVVV so far.
Keep trying, ask questions when things don’t work as you expect.
You will get responses, sometimes example patches, sometimes links to other works where you can see how it works.
Try adding more to the project
See whether after this you like VVVV or not. If it’s not for you, then fine, no loss really. If you do like VVVV then great! Do the same thing again but with another idea!
Try to do things 1 step at a time rather than all at once. Please don’t post an image of an advanced project that somebody’s spent 3 months on and say ‘how do i do this easily?’, that’s obvious right? (Imagine an engineer, an architect, a photoshopper, a painter, a programmer, an athlete being asked ‘how can i copy your work easily’. Even the ones who want to help can’t if you have no skill). Come up with an idea for something and we’ll help, i’m sure.
Please don’t be:
A troll
A plagiarist
An anti-social individual
A perfect ‘devils advocate’ who gives vvvv users a chance to project their positive answers on a range of questions about VVVV’s community, approach and method.
p.s. can you come to node 13?
i think everyone would love it if you can make it http://node.vvvv.org/. And we can go for a drink. What do you say?
Hey. I think @poof question is valid. At Node10 one of the devvvvs was talking about how much of vvvv was open-source and what not. I would append other questions. How open<>closed a community can be in order to thrive? Can vvvv go further in file sharing and really improve things? or this would not represent a significant improvement?
Also i don’t agree with Nick Briz’s video completely, although the interviews have some good arguments. Sometimes this thing about file sharing is about hype. How about sharing tangible goods? Share hardware or a space can be of much help also.
For me the central question is about sharing knowledge not much about the software itself and in my experience so far vvvv community does good.
