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'show as window' sometimes pops away from patching screen

sometimes i group (ctrl+g) a new subpatch and when i try to restore it to window view (alt+1), it will not show on the desktop.
it is probably shifted to a secondary (full)screen.
then i can only work on that subpatch in box-mode (alt+2).

how is the position of a windowed subpatch determined?
is there some control over that position ?

hei ggml, is this a duplicate of https://discourse.vvvv.org/?

yes it is… no text …